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Post by andreajacobs80 on Sept 10, 2019 18:58:15 GMT -5
From "Angels Dance and Angels Die", page 12
In the unpublished transcript of a taped interview with his wife, Margaret Fink, Max recalled lamenting the location of Jim's indiscretions..... The cold calculation of Morrison's statement on why he did what he did in Florida, Jim replied, "I thought it was a good way to pay homage to my parents".
It was at that point that Jim was said to have reluctantly revealed his painful secret. As a small boy, Max reportedly told Margaret, Jim said he had been molested. Thought he did specificy that the molester had been male, Jim did not reveal the man's identify, nor did Max ask. Jim cried as he recounted his mother's reaction when he'd told her of the incident, saying she had turned on him, called him a liar. Jim reportedly said his mother's betrayal was something that he could never forgive and was only compounded by another incident that allegedly occured when Jim was very young, an incident which seemed to have left an equally painfyul impression on him and added greatly to his growing resentment.
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Post by mortsahlfan on Sept 10, 2019 19:05:04 GMT -5
Its possible. Man, the more I read about Jim, the more I feel bad for him. Its easy to be selfish fans, but when you care about someone, you hate to hear about the sadness in his life, and that a lot of blame thrown towards Jim wasn't his fault.
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Post by lawoman on Sept 10, 2019 19:19:58 GMT -5
 It breaks my heart to read. I've read this those last two stories a handful of times. If these authors who made MILLIONS of dollars lied, why didn't anyone sue them? Doubly sad because I had a very troubled friend I knew until she killed herself who went through abuse. She had no special talents, but her behavior both as a kid and an adult reminded me of him. Always depressed, always doing things that could kill someone, or getting attention, or doing horrible things to a person, while I think she did it to see if a person would be loyal to her. |
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Post by mortsahlfan on Sept 10, 2019 19:39:20 GMT -5
It breaks my heart to read. I've read this those last two stories a handful of times. If these authors who made MILLIONS of dollars lied, why didn't anyone sue them? Doubly sad because I had a very troubled friend I knew until she killed herself who went through abuse. She had no special talents, but her behavior both as a kid and an adult reminded me of him. Always depressed, always doing things that could kill someone, or getting attention, or doing horrible things to a person, while I think she did it to see if a person would be loyal to her.
Sorry to hear about your friend... I never read Linda Ashcroft's book, but I googled a few words and saw it was mentioned also in Stephen Davis' book. I read it this year, and it was full of many errors. I'd say his book is the worst.
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Post by caitlin on Sept 10, 2019 19:46:20 GMT -5
I have always had the feeling - and this is just an opinion, I could be wrong - that Jim Morrison had all the earmarks of someone who was sexually abused as a child.
It seems that whenever a person has all of the things going for them that Jim Morrison did - intelligence, talent, academic success, good looks, a college education, friends, admirers, a lucrative career, choices, etc. - and instead of being able to put together a relatively happy, satisfying life they instead relentlessly drive themselves into the ground sexual abuse or struggles with their own sexuality are usually the top reasons (Whitney Houston, anyone?).
Having something like that happen to you and never being able to resolve it or heal from it has been known to kill people.
Jim Morrison's family has "categorically" denied the story that Butler repeated. According to them Jim never mentioned being sexually abused. They may be right and, in all fairness, Patricia Butler was exposed as being a con artist. It is also understandable that the Morrison family would want to protect Clara Morrison and protect their privacy.
But I still have my suspicions. I think of the line "humped, jumped, born to suffer, made to undress in the wilderness".
And then the tales of Jim Morrison's kamikaze drinking. Just unbelievable. I just sit there horrified when I read about his alcohol intake.
No, Jim Morrison wasn't just some dope who liked to get drunk. There were some very serious problems going on and some very serious pain he was dealing with. Depression and suicidal thoughts and suicidal actions being the most obvious.
(If there is an afterlife I hope that Jim Morrison and his parents have healed, reconciled and that they are at peace.)
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Post by caitlin on Sept 10, 2019 20:00:19 GMT -5
Linda Ashcroft's book 'Wild Child' has been revealed to be nothing more than a work of fan fiction.
I read that the Morrison family did take legal action against Ashcroft, or at least threatened to take action against her.
Like so many of these "memoirs" the facts and the timeline just don't add up. How would Morrison find all of that time to spend with Ashcroft? And I believe she had Florida-born, southern U.S. raised Jim Morrison constantly speaking in British vernacular.
(And exactly how many serious and ongoing "relationships" was Jim Morrison able to cram into a barely six-year period?)
I think because Jim Morrison pretty much kept himself to himself has made him a ripe target for people like Ashcroft. It's kind of sad.
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Post by mortsahlfan on Sept 10, 2019 20:15:33 GMT -5
I have always had the feeling - and this is just an opinion, I could be wrong - that Jim Morrison had all the earmarks of someone who was sexually abused as a child. It seems that whenever a person has all of the things going for them that Jim Morrison did - intelligence, talent, academic success, good looks, a college education, friends, admirers, a lucrative career, choices, etc. - and instead of being able to put together a relatively happy, satisfying life they instead relentlessly drive themselves into the ground sexual abuse or struggles with their own sexuality are usually the top reasons (Whitney Houston, anyone?). Having something like that happen to you and never being able to resolve it or heal from it has been known to kill people. Jim Morrison's family has "categorically" denied the story that Butler repeated. According to them Jim never mentioned being sexually abused. They may be right and, in all fairness, Patricia Butler was exposed as being a con artist. It is also understandable that the Morrison family would want to protect Clara Morrison and protect their privacy. But I still have my suspicions. I think of the line "humped, jumped, born to suffer, made to undress in the wilderness". And then the tales of Jim Morrison's kamikaze drinking. Just unbelievable. I just sit there horrified when I read about his alcohol intake. No, Jim Morrison wasn't just some dope who liked to get drunk. There were some very serious problems going on and some very serious pain he was dealing with. Depression and suicidal thoughts and suicidal actions being the most obvious. (If there is an afterlife I hope that Jim Morrison and his parents have healed, reconciled and that they are at peace.) Well said, and wow -- "Angels and Sailors". I never thought of those lyrics, but I can see the interpretation. I didn't know those "authors" were grifters. Thanks for pointing that out.
I would believe Max Fink. Not only was he a family friend of Robby, but he was an old conservative guy, a lawyer, but Jim seemed to really like and trust him.
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Post by lawoman on Sept 11, 2019 6:29:44 GMT -5
No, Jim Morrison wasn't just some dope who liked to get drunk. There were some very serious problems going on and some very serious pain he was dealing with. Depression and suicidal thoughts and suicidal actions being the most obvious. I'm glad you said it. Too many are quick to just say "Jim was a junkie". I heard David Crosby's new documentary has a bunch of shit-talking to Jim. He got hell from his own fans when he posted something on twitter. Odd thing is he wrote a song called "Morrison". Maybe someone else knows? |
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Post by andreajacobs80 on Sept 11, 2019 12:33:02 GMT -5
I just hope Jim wasn't abused. And if anyone lies, they should be charged with slander/libel. Makes me sick people make money by spreading lies.
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Post by sadtogladness on May 21, 2020 9:00:05 GMT -5
I think that's the saddest part about art - Some of the greatest artists of all time pull their creativity from tragedy. That pain is responsible for how they express their art. Morrison could've resembled a third rate hack Sinatra without it.
Even if Jim wasn't molested, his hypersensitivity made him ill equipped to deal with fame. And if he was molested, victims often blame themselves, which could partly account for the self-destruction.
Either way, it saddens me to think of the possibility that he was molested.
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